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Dutch prepare for Maya apocalypse
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Source: telegraph

By Bruno Waterfield
25/06/2008
Thousands of Dutch people are buying boats and rations and building bunkers to await an apocalypse predicted by the Maya of South America.

On December 21 2012, the "Long Count" calendar of the Maya people clicks over to year zero, marking the end of a 5,000-year era.

Belying their country's rational and laid back image, thousands of Dutch people are convinced the date coincides with a world catastrophe, the Volkskrant newspaper reports.




Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/nether...


How long before this spreads like widlfire to the USA?
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There are a lot of believers already in the US. tekisui Jun-25-08 11:24 AM #1
End of era and London Olympic Games. emad Jun-25-08 11:26 AM #2
The end of one era just means the beginning of new one. tanyev Jun-25-08 12:19 PM #15
YES! Myrina Jun-25-08 07:48 PM #66
Uh, the Maya live in Central America, not South America. n/t DrRang Jun-25-08 01:16 PM #26
Uh... the Maya aren't alive anymore... heliarc Jun-25-08 10:42 PM #81
some think shanti Jun-25-08 03:18 PM #48
The Mayan Daykeepers say this is a false interpretation of their calendars SpiralHawk Jun-25-08 11:26 AM #3
From the link: "Just now the dark side is very strong..." SpiralHawk Jun-25-08 11:35 AM #5
Thanks for posting this. It's wonderful to see a more enlightened explanation, after Judi Lynn Jun-25-08 11:48 AM #12
Thank you, Spiral Hawk, tekisui Jun-25-08 11:42 AM #8
Absolutely right ayeshahaqqiqa Jun-25-08 11:46 AM #10
thank your for that FLDem5 Jun-25-08 01:07 PM #23
Anthropologists are the ones who will tell you nodehopper Jun-25-08 01:19 PM #29
Thank you, Spiral Hawk. redqueen Jun-25-08 03:13 PM #46
SpiralHawk: question - when did we go to war with Iraq? stubtoe Jun-25-08 04:08 PM #55
March 20, 2003 SpiralHawk Jun-25-08 04:44 PM #59
I'm ready for a bit of transformation myself. Blue_In_AK Jun-25-08 08:25 PM #68
The Catastrophe of PEACE breaking out? IanDB1 Jun-25-08 08:59 PM #71
Dec 21 2012... The earth is aligned with our black hole..... Joanne98 Jun-25-08 11:29 AM #
2012 is when Galactica gets to earth! Political Heretic Jun-25-08 10:10 PM #78
it's been here; it'll 'pick up speed' as the date approaches eShirl Jun-25-08 11:29 AM #4
will probably be lots of pre-owned boats for sale in 2013 Netherlands Algorem Jun-25-08 11:38 AM #6
they'll need them to withstand global warming - prob. the more probable disaster crikkett Jun-25-08 12:36 PM #17
that's probably why they'd buy a boat,but they know how to keep water out, Algorem Jun-25-08 01:22 PM #31
it's not the knowledge it's the will crikkett Jun-25-08 02:40 PM #41
So much for the idea that Europeans are smarter than us. mwb970 Jun-25-08 11:41 AM #7
Those were my thoughts exactly. The Stranger Jun-25-08 01:08 PM #24
There's absolutely no reason laptoprepairguy Jun-25-08 01:45 PM #34
Yeah they just know how to hide it better. We worship our stupid over here n/t Indenturedebtor Jun-25-08 09:23 PM #72
Uh, the end of the Mayan calendar isn't breaking news ayeshahaqqiqa Jun-25-08 11:44 AM #9
I'd be much more worried about this if the world hadn't ended in 2000. sofa king Jun-25-08 11:48 AM #11
Lol! First belly laugh of the day, thanks! nt glitch Jun-25-08 02:55 PM #43
McCain doesn't get re-elected and nukes everything DS1 Jun-25-08 11:55 AM #13
Hoax, poor translation of the dutch article. BB1 Jun-25-08 11:57 AM #14
Thank you for the "reality check", BB1! Dogtown Jun-25-08 12:39 PM #18
Thank you. I didn't think the Dutch people were that stupid. nt raccoon Jun-25-08 12:45 PM #19
Well, if it is a hoax, it's getting a lot of play. riverdeep Jun-25-08 05:15 PM #62
True enough. I just never heard of a single one, BB1 Jun-25-08 07:50 PM #67
Wow... Stuckinthebush Jun-25-08 12:30 PM #16
Do you know any Maya? Their calendar is far more astronomically accurate than SpiralHawk Jun-25-08 12:47 PM #20
I love researching this stuff TexasLady Jun-25-08 01:16 PM #27
Indeed Stuckinthebush Jun-25-08 01:17 PM #28
The World Ends Tomorrow and YOU may DIE semillama Jun-25-08 01:22 PM #30
The Maya are not offering any End Times prophecy SpiralHawk Jun-25-08 01:41 PM #33
They don't get it because they don't want to get it, SH Desertrose Jun-25-08 04:28 PM #57
I don't laugh at the astronomy Stuckinthebush Jun-25-08 04:28 PM #58
So accuracy in measuring the length of a solar year is helpfull in predicting the future? progressoid Jun-25-08 02:18 PM #39
No more relevant than the predictions of a superstitious people of 2,000 years ago, riight? yardwork Jun-25-08 03:37 PM #51
people were more in tune with the vibrations of the world than they roguevalley Jun-25-08 07:21 PM #65
How Frightening.... momster Jun-25-08 12:51 PM #21
Guilt makes folks susceptible to mass psychosis. Now, let's see, what are Americans guilty of? nt patrice Jun-25-08 12:53 PM #22
Sounds something like Y2K treestar Jun-25-08 01:08 PM #25
Time is Art! ... mikelgb Jun-25-08 01:38 PM #32
Hah that's my birthday :P Now there are two reasons to declare 7/25 a world holiday n/t Indenturedebtor Jun-25-08 09:25 PM #73
And there's room for only one more Pope's name on the wall in the Vatican! bif Jun-25-08 01:48 PM #35
Little do they know: This apocalypse targets only bunkers and boats!1 n/t UTUSN Jun-25-08 01:49 PM #36
!!!!! renate Jun-25-08 10:12 PM #79
I lean toward the Y2038 Unix clock apocalypse slackmaster Jun-25-08 02:07 PM #37
Ah, but the 64-bit word will take care of that (nt) bean fidhleir Jun-25-08 02:54 PM #42
There will be a few recalcitrants who still use the 31-bit number date format slackmaster Jun-25-08 03:08 PM #45
You're all wrong, Judgement Day is this Friday 27 June, "Veterans' emad Jun-25-08 05:28 PM #64
People are too stupid for words AngryAmish Jun-25-08 02:10 PM #38
. progressoid Jun-25-08 02:22 PM #40
Well, if you need a reason to buy a boat JustABozoOnThisBus Jun-25-08 03:06 PM #44
Ironically, the Dutch are not looking too great if sea level rises dramatically... truthisfreedom Jun-25-08 03:14 PM #47
Global warming and rising seas do put the Netherlands at risk. yardwork Jun-25-08 03:32 PM #49
But..the prophecy says if we throw the weak hearted hunter into the volcano paparush Jun-25-08 03:35 PM #50
Bwahahahaha dropkickpa Jun-25-08 03:40 PM #52
why stockpile supplies if the world is going to end? Blue_Tires Jun-25-08 03:40 PM #53
Y5K panic! n/t pepperbear Jun-25-08 03:54 PM #54
Oh brother. lonestarnot Jun-25-08 04:12 PM #56
And I am wishing on 11:11.... LeftHander Jun-25-08 04:46 PM #60
Self-fulfilling Papa Boule Jun-25-08 05:00 PM #61
Looking at this stuff figuratively is one thing, riverdeep Jun-25-08 05:19 PM #63
I have been to the yucatan several times. edhopper Jun-25-08 08:43 PM #69
Grab your wooden shoes and kiss your ass goodbye? n/t IanDB1 Jun-25-08 08:54 PM #70
I have friends there, and they say Holland is too crowded anyway DFW Jun-25-08 09:26 PM #74
December 21 2012 is when the bears begin their uprising... ColbertWatcher Jun-25-08 09:28 PM #75
The Next 500 Years - SpiralHawk Jun-25-08 09:58 PM #76
If you lived 23 feet BELOW sea level you might have a different perspective Phred42 Jun-25-08 10:05 PM #77
I don't GET IT - if you have a CIRCULAR calendar it eventually has to return to 'year zero' kineta Jun-25-08 10:38 PM #80
tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 11:24 AM
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1. There are a lot of believers already in the US.
I know many who consider 2012 to be the end of this era.
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emad (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 11:26 AM
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2. End of era and London Olympic Games.
Permanent end of the Bush family evil dynasty hopefully.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 12:19 PM
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15. The end of one era just means the beginning of new one.
Could be a much better one. :)
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 07:48 PM
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66. YES!
Why does everyone misinterpret it to mean 'the end of the world'?

Why?


Sheesh!


:shrug:
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DrRang (397 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 01:16 PM
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26. Uh, the Maya live in Central America, not South America. n/t

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heliarc (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 10:42 PM
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81. Uh... the Maya aren't alive anymore...
Edited on Wed Jun-25-08 10:43 PM by heliarc
The Maya were conquered by the Aztecs a long time ago, but their their descendants are alive and you are right... they are living in Central America. :-)
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 03:18 PM
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48. some think
Edited on Wed Jun-25-08 03:22 PM by shanti
it's the end of the world (as we know it).
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 11:26 AM
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3. The Mayan Daykeepers say this is a false interpretation of their calendars
Edited on Wed Jun-25-08 11:31 AM by SpiralHawk
And they are greatly concerned about the people who are deliberately misinterpreting and exploting the traditions and teachings of their calendar.

On Dec. 21, 2012 the Fourth World (era) ends, and the Fifth World (Age of Flowers) commences. There are massive changes and upheavals, the elders say, but life goes on...

Here's an in-depth report arising from what the Daykeepers themselves say:

http://www.chiron-communications.com/communique%207-10....

Steep Uphill Climb to 2012:
Messages from the Mayan Milieu

"Anthropologists visit the temple sites," Mr. Barrios says, "and read the stelas and inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It’s just their imagination...Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed.

"The indigenous have the calendars, and know how to accurately interpret it, not others."
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 11:35 AM
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5. From the link: "Just now the dark side is very strong..."
"We live in a world of polarity: day and night, man and woman, positive and negative. Light and darkness need each other. They are a balance. Just now the dark side is very strong, and very clear about what they want. They have their vision and their priorities clearly held, and also their hierarchy. They are working in many ways so that we will be unable to connect with the spiral Fifth World in 2012."

"On the light side everyone thinks they are the most important, that their own understandings, or their group’s understandings, are the key. There’s a diversity of cultures and opinions, so there is competition, diffusion, and no single focus."

As Barrios sees it, the dark side works to block fusion through denial and materialism. It also works to destroy those who are working with the light to get the Earth to a higher level. They like the energy of the old, declining Fourth World, the materialism. They do not want it to change. They do not want fusion. They want to stay at this level, and are afraid of the next level.

The dark power of the declining Fourth World cannot be destroyed or overpowered. It’s too strong and clear for that, and that is the wrong strategy. The dark can only be transformed when confronted with simplicity and open-heartedness. This is what leads to fusion, a key concept for the World of the Fifth Sun.

(snip)

http://www.chiron-communications.com/communique%207-10....
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 11:48 AM
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12. Thanks for posting this. It's wonderful to see a more enlightened explanation, after
hearing of approaching catastrophe in 2012 for YEARS!

The source you quote has real value. Looking forward to studying this more closely.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 11:42 AM
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8. Thank you, Spiral Hawk,
I am ready to usher in an Change in Era. We could all use it.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 11:46 AM
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10. Absolutely right
Thank you for the link and expressing the sentiment far better than this sleepy person could.
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FLDem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 01:07 PM
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23. thank your for that
two of my kids are actually 1/16 Mayan - I will have to let them know about this, they'll think it is very cool.
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nodehopper (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 01:19 PM
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29. Anthropologists are the ones who will tell you
that the Mayan calendar predicts end of "this" world (epoch), not some escatological endgame. It's not anthropologists who make up this BS.
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46. Thank you, Spiral Hawk.
:)
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stubtoe Donating Member (900 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 04:08 PM
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55. SpiralHawk: question - when did we go to war with Iraq?
'According to Mr. Barrios’ reading of the Mayan calendar, if war happens in November 2002 or after, then it’s bad, but not catastrophic. But if it happens between April and November 2003, it will be catastrophic. Really bad. It could eventually result in the death of two-thirds of humanity. "So stay active," he said. "If we are active, we can transform the planet. The elders watch to see what happens."'

:scared:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-25-08 04:44 PM
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59. March 20, 2003
and the invasion and occupation of Iraq has lasted longer than World War II, while racking up Massive PROFITS for republicon crony oil, munitions and mercenary corporations.
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