leftchick  (1000+ posts)      | Mon Jul-07-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
| 20. The Nuclear Bunker Buster will not work! |
 | Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 10:39 AM by leftchick This animation depicts a proposed weapon with a one megaton yield. The funding for this weapon was cut in 2005 defense appropriations. However, the United States still has a B61-11 nuclear 'bunker buster' in its arsenal which has a 400 kiloton yield, which could still cause hundreds of thousands of deaths and spread radiation to other countries. Learn more. Watch.... http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/n... |
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| shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #20 |
| 21. That's the real plan |
 | Make no mistake, war with Iran is simply part of a bigger depopulation agenda. The neocons need to kill the middle east down to a manageable level. |
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| alyce douglas (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
| 22. is Israel that stupid to put its citizens at risk. |
 | Olmert needs to be terminated. |
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| Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
| 24. I asked that same question about Israel a few days ago, while |  |
 | I was trying to reinforce my denial. The answers I got from people around here were downright scary. Their Leocons are pretty well cross-pollenated with our Leocons. And I hope "terminated" means removed from office. It is not wise to advocate for.... Oh--and I guess it's not obvious to everyone that I'm using the term "Leocon" as an oblique reference to Leo Strauss. Google that name if you don't know it. |
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| Echo In Light (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
| 25. Do not underestimate the bizarre theocratic agenda |
 | Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 02:59 PM by Echo In Light Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception By Jim Lobe, AlterNet. Posted May 19, 2003. Many neoconservatives like Paul Wolfowitz are disciples of a philosopher who believed that the elite should use deception, religious fervor and perpetual war to control the ignorant masses. http://www.alternet.org/story/15935 / Kill Or Convert, Brought To You By the Pentagon http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15&pid=220960 Religious Extremists in America {scary fuckin video} http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoHfCUBiEM Lobbying for Armageddon By Sarah Posner, AlterNet. Posted August 3, 2006. http://www.alternet.org/story/39748 / The Jesus Landing Pad Bush White House checked with rapture Christians before latest Israel move http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0420,perlstein,53582,1... Some influential evangelical leaders are lobbying for an attack on Iran. But it's not about geopolitics -- it's about bringing about the End Times. http://www.alternet.org/story/39748 / There's been a great deal written on this dire topic, yet it seems to be ignored and/or disavowed ... usually by the same ones who discount any topic which appears too "conspiratorial." |
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| alyce douglas (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
| 26. terminate out of office, he has a scandal going on. |
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| higher class (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
| 34. Sacred places in Jerusalem = Chernobyl |
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| nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
| 38. Two things happening here | |
 | WE are setting the music, they are a client state We usually fight proxy wars using them And in some sectors of intelligence they do see the Iranians as that much of a threat, and it does not help what the Iranian president says regularly. Given they were mostly right about Iraq in 1981, when everybody else told them the Iraqis didn't even have a reactor going |
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| L0oniX (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
| 27. This is what happens when you don't impeach war criminals. | |
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| OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
| 31. correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't going to war the SOLE prerogative of the Congress? . . . |
 | hello? . . . Congress, you there? . . . WAKE THE FUCK UP! . . . AND DO YOUR GOD DAMNED DUTY! . . . Bush can NOT go to war unless you specifically authorize him to do so . . . just because he's done it in the past doesn't mean that you've in any way abdicated your Constitutional responsibilities . . . YOU, Congress -- as OUR representatives -- are the ONLY ones who can take this country to war! . . . and if someone else (i.e. George W. Bush) tries, you damned well better stop him! . . . before someone gets hurt . . . --------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 1, Section 8: Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; To establish post offices and post roads; To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court; To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations; To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water; To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; To provide and maintain a navy; To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof. |
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| Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
| 32. Korea. Dominican Republic. Vietnam. Panama. Grenada. | |
| What do they all have in common? (This is not an exhaustive list.) |
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| H2O Man (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
| 41. Right. |
 | Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.'s classic "The Imperial Presidency" (1974) documented how almost every president sought to expand executive powers through the war powers associated with the office. In fact, almost every other power is related to that, in one way or the other. Congress has, almost without exception, refused to meet the standards defined by the Constitution. This allows the expansion of executive powers; in the Bush-Cheney administration, the expansion has been unchecked. The military occupation of Iraq was viewed as the first step necessary for changing the government of Iran. That's been the plan since Bush the Elder's day. He refused to invade Iraq, of course, and one can follow the Wolfowitz-Libby-Cheney agenda from 1992 on to see what path they intend to take this country on. |
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| blues90 (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
| 39. I look at this one way |
 | They have been ramping this up for three years and I have no doubt that this is the only card and option left for the bush admin . They are not about to go away quietly and just give up all the power they have built up or chance war crimes as if that will even happen , but it is possible. They already have been marking targets , bush already has the go ahead just to pick up the phone and say go. This is their last chance to control all the oil and they will risk everything to keep this power. They have proven over and over life means nothing to them , how much proof do people need. The house has given then everything and the artical from Sy Hearsh did not sound very promising. There is a lot more that makes it all seem more likely than not that the attack on Iran will happne as people are so imbedded in these elections and distracted while the economy sinks and the houses go away and the jobs are shinking out of sight. so what do they do , talk about food shortage which is yet anyother who knows opportunity. |
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| spanone (1000+ posts) | Mon Jul-07-08 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
| 42. kicked |
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